
I am a woman. I live in America. I did not attend a women’s march over the weekend, but I know people who did. These marches made front page news all across America and sparked lively debates on social media. It’s obvious that women in this country have vastly different beliefs and convictions. I don’t presume to speak for all women in America. I speak only for myself. But at the same time, I know I’m not the only woman who feels this way. So with that in mind, I have some apologies to make.
To the women of China, I’m sorry that we here in America are fighting for the right to abort our children while you yearn for the freedom to have as many children as you wish.
Women of Saudi Arabia, I’m sorry we push for equal rights while ignoring the fact that you have none of the freedoms we take for granted. You are told how to dress, forbidden from driving, disallowed to pursue an education, and basically treated as property.
To women in underdeveloped countries, I’m sorry that we are pushing for free health care, including abortion on demand, while you struggle to feed your families and find clean water to drink and have limited or no access to good health care.
To those women who are trafficked and abused, I’m sorry that we have ignored your plight also. You are sold into drug and sex trafficking or are victims of domestic abuse. Your rights are the ones we need to be fighting for.
Men, I’m sorry that we have disrespected you while demanding you respect us. We continually mock you on TV shows, movies, and commercials, making you out to be the idiotic male who could never survive without the help of a woman. I’m sorry that we have insisted you support our reproductive rights unconditionally, including the right to terminate your own child without your consent. I apologize for the double standard we support, finding no irony in the fact that while a woman can abort your child without your knowledge, many doctors require you to have a signed consent from your female counterpart to undergo a vasectomy. Yet if you, as a male, dare protest any of this, you are labeled a sexist, and an intolerant one, at that. I’m sorry we’ve put you in that position.
To the children in America(*), I’m sorry we are setting a poor example for you. On Friday you saw the images of protesters throwing rocks, yelling obscenities, and screaming, while you are told not to throw temper tantrums. Then the following day, images of crude costumes and signs (some of which I would consider pornographic) were displayed as part of the Women’s Marches, coupled with colorful speeches from characters like Madonna who dropped the F bomb multiple times and claimed she’d thought about blowing up the White House.
To those who marched or supported the recent marches, I understand that all of you did so for your own reasons. I dare not place all you in one blanket category. Some of you marched in protest of President Trump’s former comments about women and his views on various topics. Some of you wholeheartedly agreed with Madonna’s statements, while others were uncomfortable with them. Some of you marched for LGBT rights. Perhaps some of you marching were doing so in support of abused and victimized women, hoping to give them a voice. Some of you consider yourselves feminists; others do not. There are some of you who are pushing not only for equality, but superiority over men. Some of you carried vulgar signs and dressed up in descriptive outfits depicting female body parts. I’m sorry if any of you think I’m judging you or that I don’t care to listen to your opinion. I’m sorry if you feel undervalued by society at large or by those in your life. You are worthy of love and respect, and not just because you’re a woman, but because you are a human being.
We may be separated by language and culture barriers in this world, by our beliefs, by our own stubbornness and sinful pride, but there is one thing that unites us all- we are all created by God, and that’s what gives us worth. It is never God’s will that we hurt or mistreat one another. Unfortunately, there will always be inequality in this sinful world, and we should each do what we can to work toward basic human rights for all, especially those who cannot fight for themselves. But even amidst the chaos of this world, I know a critical truth- my most important freedom has already been won. Jesus has freed me from sin. You- yes, you– are so valuable that Jesus died for you. No matter what you’ve done in the past, no matter what your current situation, Jesus’ love and forgiveness are there for you. That’s the message of hope and healing I want to spread. And I make no apologies for that.

January 23, 2017 at 9:56 am
WOW! Very well said!
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January 24, 2017 at 8:39 pm
Absolutely beautiful., and beautifully spoken!
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January 25, 2017 at 2:40 pm
While I agree with most of what you have said, the ban on having more than one child in China was lifted recently (within the last couple of years).
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January 23, 2017 at 10:04 am
Thank you for this. It says just what I’ve been trying to say!
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January 23, 2017 at 10:13 am
Amazing….powerful…so much truth in your words!
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January 23, 2017 at 2:47 pm
Thank you! Well said.
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January 23, 2017 at 4:10 pm
Your message was one of your best! And thank you for the paragraph about men and their roles! very powerful.
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January 23, 2017 at 11:17 pm
Amen!
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January 24, 2017 at 8:14 am
Well said, except for the paragraph which begins, “Men, I’m sorry…” It’s still the men who control the TV shows, advertising, and just about everything else she mentioned, don’t they? If they feel under-appreciated, disrespected, etc., they are already in a position to change that, aren’t they? I think she went just a little bit overboard on this one.
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January 24, 2017 at 10:50 pm
I think she was spot-on! I do agree with you though that men are designing our clothes, making the commercials, etc, etc. But here’s the reality people are forgetting….we, women, are buying into all of it! The TV shows, the fashion trends, the makeup, the weight loss crap and on and on! So, let’s step back and stop pointing fingers at the men…it is US who continues to send the message these things are ok!
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January 25, 2017 at 11:39 am
WOW….right on. Thank you for sharing your heart and sharing Jesus! He is the One Who Sets Us FREE…..
I only have one negative….Shame on this group for leaving behind such a huge mess of trash that had to be cleaned up and paid for by the city. I wonder how many of you would be willing to send a donation to the Sanitation Division to help pay for what so many marchers left behind.
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January 25, 2017 at 5:47 pm
That’s perfect, we watch what we pick, we wear what we buy, etc no man forces you to do any of it!! Use your own brain and common sense.
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January 25, 2017 at 6:34 am
It’s not a “they” or “us”; it’s actually a “WE” who will make the changes happen.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:09 am
No it’s not the everyday men who control it… But the super elites who wish to control the quality of mind to create a subservient people to rule over. Think about who created hollywierd….. And who still runs it
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January 25, 2017 at 8:19 am
Sadly you seem the type to demand respect while withholding it fro m others. Sorry daddy didn’t instill humility in you, just the bigotry you mirroronto others
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January 25, 2017 at 10:13 am
Where did you get that out of this?,
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January 25, 2017 at 10:31 am
You must have missed her most important comment. Everyone is made in the image of God and is therefore highly valued! We love because He first loved us!
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January 25, 2017 at 3:33 pm
obviously you didnt understand a word she saif
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January 25, 2017 at 9:52 am
Maybe men control the TV shows because women haven’t stepped up to take that role. And IT STILL doesn’t give women the right to disrespect them. MAYBE men are still in those roles because THAT is the only setting in which they GET respect. They need to get it somewhere else if they don’t get it at home. She didn’t go overboard on this one. Would it be SO difficult for a woman to say how was your day when he got home? I used to live down the street from a couple where the wife worked and he stayed home with the kids. She was a lawyer and they were never unkind to each other. I bet they are still married too. So basically you are saying that if men are in charge of TV, advertising and everything else mentioned, they deserve to be disrespected? Wow! Just how do you expect to bridge the gap between the sexes if you justify your actions?
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January 25, 2017 at 8:10 pm
Heidi,
There are some women who work in the television and advertising industries (among others), but these industries are predominantly male due to the culture of the industry and unfair hiring practices; it is not because, as you say, women “haven’t stepped up to take that role”. To say that women simply haven’t taken the initiative to obtain these roles does not reflect reality and places the blame on women for an issue that they have not caused. I believe the original commenter’s point was that men are largely responsible for distributing the images of them that this post calls disrespectful, and that they, therefore, have the power to change the way in which they are represented in media, if they choose to do so. If you’re interested, you can see 2015 statistics on the gender gap in various media industries here: http://www.womensmediacenter.com/pages/2015-wmc-divided-media-gender-gap.
As far as respect goes, I do agree that men and women should mutually respect each other, regardless of their relationship. Unfortunately, respect goes both ways: men must respect women to have it given to them and vice versa.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:03 pm
Ms. Carolynn you are some what right but again ABC. CBS. NBC. Yes. And the rest of them control what we watch and what the shows are about and the actors are paid to perform how ever they are told. The money is all that’s important to them all not anything else. Thank you for your time to read this
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January 25, 2017 at 9:26 pm
Not overboard enough. If you expect equality for everyone then it works for men too. Too many double standards in our society.
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January 24, 2017 at 9:14 am
Just to clarify, I’m pretty sure there were no throwing rocks–I don’t know about the yelling obscenities and screaming. There was violence the day before, but things were peaceful (no arrests) and people chanted and sang. Whether or not you agree with why/what people were marching, this was not an adult temper tantrum, but a peaceable assembly.
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January 24, 2017 at 8:28 pm
One female Trump supporter had her hair set on fire by one of the “peaceful” marchers. There were several other incidents of physical intimidation and bullying where marchers surrounded people they disagreed with. And then there were the marchers who booed when employees from the Trump hotel came to the aid of someone suffering a heart attack. Perhaps it was a peaceable assembly if one ignores the virulent, hate-filled language that to be found on many signs and coming out of the mouths of many speakers. An MLK-led protest it was not.
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January 25, 2017 at 7:33 am
FRIDAY not Saturday.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:16 am
Unless you were there you speak from ignorance or alternative facts. I was there in DC and people are confusing 2 different event so. Fridays inaugeration drew protests that were focused on Trump and largely peaceful. However there was one group of anarchist whose primary goal was/is to create chaos. They broke windows and set several fires including setting a limousine on fire. This was NOT part of the womens march nor did it occur on Sat. The womens march in the US (3 million +)as well as internationally was peaceful Get your facts straight before you present them however considering your current clowns and liars it reflected in your statements.
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January 24, 2017 at 9:31 pm
I think you must have missed the incident when one of the women’s protesters took a lighter and set the hair on fire of a young woman there peacefully representing the pro life movement.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:29 am
The woman’s hair was lit during the inauguration protests the day before the women’s march, NOT on Saturday (the day of the march.)
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January 25, 2017 at 6:12 am
http://www.snopes.com/2017/01/24/protester-sets-trump-supporters-hair-on-fire/
All of the incidents of disrespect and violence happened on inauguration day, NOT during the women’s march. Snopes is going to be very busy correcting misinformation. Check your facts before you believe everything you see on the internet.
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January 25, 2017 at 7:05 am
Where are these news stories of hair set on fire and rocks thrown at kids on a field trip? I genuinely would like to see them.
Thanks
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January 25, 2017 at 7:32 am
That was FRIDAY.
Different people.
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January 24, 2017 at 9:44 pm
A bus full of high school kids from my area who were on a field trip to DC had rocks thrown at their bus by protesters on Saturday. The girls on that bus didn’t say they felt respected or empowered, they said they were scared.
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January 24, 2017 at 10:59 pm
That womens rally was anything but peaceful no tactful. What I watched on tv was very disturbing.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:18 am
What have you been doing? Where is your information coming from? I have family that was at the inaugural. She was attacked by other women. When someone seen she didn’t have a sign up, someone decided she must be a Trump supporter. And I’m not going to say anymore about what happened next. She was about a block from a Starbucks that was burned down by your peaceful protesters. And you ‘don’t think ‘ rocks were thrown? Tell that to the police officers that were trying to keep it peaceful. And then there are the business who will be replacing windows and doors. I’m not sure where you get your information but you should find another source.
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January 25, 2017 at 9:43 am
If she was attacked at the inauguration then it couldn’t have been by someone marching. The inauguration was Friday, the March was Saturday. 2 different days.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:18 am
I was going to say the exact same thing. If you are going to report about events you did not attend, please make sure the facts are correct (no alternative facts, please). I was at the March and it was absolutely a peaceable assembly (which is a guaranteed right in our Constitution). What I saw was women supporting women, women thanking each and every police officer and security guard along the route, thanking the clean-up crew (which is part of the whole permit thing), women handing over their un-used metro cards to be given to the homeless.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:40 am
Clean up they DID NOT! Look at the pics that are out there. Given women are generally the people cleaning up after others to begin with (at home), you would think they would at least carry trash sacks with them to dump their own garbage in and not leave the streets looking like a tornado came through!
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January 25, 2017 at 8:36 am
Not to mention the HUGE mess that was left behind!
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January 25, 2017 at 10:56 am
There were videos of some pretty violent behavior, and they left places they marched a litter strewn mess. It meant someone else, most likely, the majority being men in the sanitation department. I hope a few women workers had to do it, too.
What I don’t understand is the vulgarity, and the graphic images of women wearing a poster of a vagina, with their heads placed between the labia. Yet, one of the mantras had to do with a comment Trump made a decade ago. You wore hats and clothing and talked of “pussies”! Let me explain the internal response I had. As a young girl who was repeatedly raped and sexually abused from age 7 to 17, I felt a anger rise up that you would exacerbate a statement Trump made a decade ago. It was over, he had apologized (something my perpetrators – 5 of them – never did). But you took it and made such a mockery of it, and I had flashbacks at hearing that word! You paraded these images as if your vagina and uterus was the only thing about you, and in so doing, reduced women to a continued level of being sex objects for, get this, not just men, but women, too.
The other part that deeply troubled me was the obvious single most reason for this march, was abortion. I kept wondering what some children might be thinking. “Gee, I guess I’m lucky to be here, because mom could just have easily aborted me.” Not much value placed upon that child, is there? “I’m hearing mom had an abortion, or more. How many brothers and sisters might I have had” “People with disabilities should not be born, because I read that a baby is aborted for those reasons. I better hope I never get really sick because they will wish I wasn’t here, either.” A young woman, suddenly feeling the emptiness of having an abortion, doesn’t know what to do, because nobody said she might feel that way. She has been betrayed.
When I hear the chants about protection for all women, I wonder about the young girls who are victims of sex trafficking and rape, who are dragged in there against their will, and PP has now been caught not reporting those cases, even though they are required by law to report them. I could have been so easily one of them. It was bad enough that I couldn’t tell anyone, it was worse thinking no one would have protected me had I been one of those girls.
Whether anyone literally threw stones is irrelevant. Stones, darts, hatred, and so much more, was hurled at me and all I was doing was watching some of it on my tablet. And, that was on top of the hatred the day before because Trump was who I voted for, too. He is not perfect, but Hillary not only enabled her husband’s repeated sexual exploits of women, she tried to discredit them. When put up against a few poorly chosen comments Trump might he might have made, Trump’s characte; is far superior!
Not one of those women speak for me. The threats and exploitation through vulgar, hateful words directed towards Baaron Trump are very inappropriate. It saddened my heart just seeing a few needstr?
article made, that were good and thoughtful.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:30 pm
Proverb 16:4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea even the wicked for the day of evil. 5. Everyone that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord; though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished. 6. By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil.7. James 4:…God resist the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble…2 Timothy 3:1-17
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January 25, 2017 at 9:19 pm
I believe she was referring to Inauguration Day when she spoke of rocks being thrown.
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January 24, 2017 at 9:36 am
Ruth
As a man I appreciate your commentary. Very well said.
However, these are for the most part very biased and bigoted women. I listened to their chants and rants. They certainly are within their rights to demonstrate their views. As to the charge of bigotry, their marching managers refused to allow participants who disagreed with their political views, especially those who are conservative. And Ruth, your comments are eloquent, but, as soon as you mentioned God and Jesus you lost a large number of the secular left protestors. Unfortunately, their bigotry would close their minds to your compassionate and inclusive message.
Thank you for your expression of your bold convictions.
Thank you for not ranting and screaming vulgarities as did so many of the protestors who want people to think they believe in diversity.
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January 25, 2017 at 1:17 am
Sir, your observation also quite on point.
But do you think if it was a Muslim who was to write what she did he/she would have been ashamed of their faith?
So many people had opportuhities to hear Jesus speak and were convicted of their sins but instead of repenting they chose to be even more arrogant and crude even unto proping up false charges against him and had Him crucified.
For those the message is meant, they will definitely have a rethink and may even repent.
Jesus said, if I deny Him before men He will deny me before His Father. The implication is that I will be thrown into Hell.
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January 25, 2017 at 6:13 am
Its our responsibility to tell others about Jesus’ sacrifice; what they do with that information is up to them. If only one individual takes to heart the salvation message it is one more saved.
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January 25, 2017 at 9:17 am
Agreed. Thank you!
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January 24, 2017 at 10:44 am
While many women marches for many different reasons, some rather strange, the people who planned the March were members of some of the fifty groups that are sponsered by George Sorros, a left wing , commie athiest elitist who during WW2 in Hungary, turned in his fellow Jews to the Nazis for deportation to concentration camps for certain death. He has always said that his goal is to destroy the US, which is why he gives money to the Democratic party, gave to Hillary Clinton and Obama, and select Republicans that conservatives refer to as rhinos, because they are really Democrats running on the Republican ticket.People should know who pushes these marches, there is always big money behind them and then the marchers become useful idiots.
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January 24, 2017 at 8:04 pm
Rose, not to be contentious, but could you cite your sources for what you said about Soros? He was born in 1930, so at the END of the war he was 15. He was already a left wing, commie atheist elitist at that young age, even younger than 15? How did he then turn in his fellow Jews for deportation? Wikipedia is probably not 100% correct on every subject, but it seems to me that they have nothing to gain by falsifying information. Maybe you have a source that discredits Wikipedia? That would be excellent….also how do we know what “he has always said” ….and who he donates money to. Just want us all to be accurate about what we say. FYI, I have nothing to gain either way regarding Soros.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:25 am
According to NBC, there were no arrests for Saturdays march. Their were 230 arrests for Friday inaugeration:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/peace-positivity-massive-women-s-march-make-voices-heard-d-n710356
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January 25, 2017 at 10:45 am
I don’t claim to know these facts, but I will remind everyone that Wiki is a combination of info collected from people like you and me. ANYONE can submit info to them on any topic. I’m not sure what their process is for vetting it, but I know they ask you to send them info if it differs from what is written. So, it isn’t like this info is coming from professional researchers.
IS wiki basically true, yes, I believe so, just wanted to clarify where they get their info.
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January 25, 2017 at 11:12 am
Yes! In fact he did sell out his friends at just 15 years old and he said himself he didn’t feel bad about it.. “somebody was going to do it” he said he’d rather be the one to receive the rewards for it instead of someone else! He confessed to constantly doing wrong things but his conscience wouldn’t let him feel bad about them because he was reaping the benefits from them! His motto is someone’s going to do it so I’d rather it be me. SICK! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dnsHl5qzpYc
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January 25, 2017 at 2:38 pm
how about his own words. Here is a link to a 60 minute interview where he not only admits to doing that at the age of 14 , he says it was the happiest time of his life. :O
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January 25, 2017 at 10:18 am
Actually, Rose, while I do not like George Soros, I did some research on him to make sure what was said about him wax true. 1) The picture posted of hj supposedly in a NAZI uniform is not him. 2) He was asked to turn people in but went home and told his father who took those papers away from him and threw them away. It is fine to disagree with someone and not support their policies. It is NOT fine to be so rabid about that person that you don’t research and spread lies about them. You are always responsible for being truthful. You know what I saw during this march? Ashley Judd complaining about paying taxes on TAMPONS for crying out loud. Yeah, she’s really oppressed! Years ago, Susan B. Anthony fought for women to have the right to VOTE, Rosa Parks sat on a bus seat and got arrested for wanting blacks to have rights. And here we have Ashley Judd fighting for the right to not pay taxes on tampons. I’d love to see that in a history book! What do you think Susan or Rosa would say to Ashley? And what do you think they would say to Madonna who admitted she thought of blowing up the White House? Or what do you think Susan B. Anthony would say to Madonna about trying to influence the election by offering oral sex? These women have gotten blessings that women in the past wouldn’t even dream about and they have progressed so far that all they have to complain about is tampon taxes and then thinking about blowing up the White House? All I see is a bunch of pampered people whining about not getting their way and then cheapening themselves in an effort to make it happen. Madonna effectively turned herself into a whore to get what she wanted, Rosie O’Donnell wanted to put a nation under martial law to get what she wanted, thus wanting to restrict EVERYONE’S freedom and they don’t see something wrong with that? I have a problem with entitled little brats trying to silence my voice because they don’t like what was said. I voted for Trump and I’m glad I did because if these are the type of people who support Hillary Clinton, then our freedoms would have been restricted pretty damn quick by her group of Hollywood foot soldiers who have already tried to silence us.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:22 pm
You picked one thing out if the whole poem, and say that is what she is fighting fora. If you listen to the speech, there is a whole lot more to it…
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January 25, 2017 at 5:27 pm
Heidi,
I am not trying to be disrespectful at all, but George Soros himself has said on national television that he did do those things while acting as a Christian godson in Hungary. See the above YouTube link to footage of just one interview. Just so you know why some people are saying this is truth, not from an article or snopes(which I completely do not respect or trust after finding them tampering with facts during the election) but from his own interview.
Have a good day.
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January 24, 2017 at 10:56 am
I may have missed it because this is not a site I’ve followed, but perhaps you could repost any responses you might have made when the right was calling our last president an ape, a muslim and not an American. This side of the fence sees this as a way of expressing our FEAR of what we will be facing the next 4 years with a person who by all accounts is anything but a Christian. People know you are a Christian by your love…not simply by claiming you are one. By the way….NO arrests or damage during the DC walk. We must learn with the new administration there are FACTS and there are ALTERNATE FACTS. A fact is a fact and unless we speak truth to power we’re all doomed.
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January 24, 2017 at 7:01 pm
Exactly. Apparently her god looks away when it’s minorities being mocked and threatened by their president.
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January 24, 2017 at 7:02 pm
Thank you for those points being presented. I believe also every woman, man and child marched January 21st for the marginalized and oppressed in EVERY country that was mentioned not only for American women.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:53 am
I agree with the idea that they marched in support of the difficulties of women around the world. We have the power to show our strength in this country, bringing hope to the women of the world. There were some unfortunate incidents that occurred, but everyone is referencing the same ones because there were only a FEW! And how many people marched?!
Violence isn’t excusable when it happens, but I know many women who marched, and the intention and fact is that it was a peaceable protest. We don’t want this president to take back the freedoms that women (and men) in other countries wish for. Women (and men) have had an opportunity to fight for those rights here, and we don’t want to have them taken away on our watch.
*I just have to say, I’ve it heard of doctor’s requiring a partner’s written permission for vascectomy, though I know it’s common to advise men to talk to their spouses. However, requiring permission is wrong, as you said. A man should be able to do to his body, what is right for him. Absolutely.
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January 24, 2017 at 7:04 pm
Well Said Linda Barth!
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January 24, 2017 at 10:47 pm
To be honest, I rarely post about politics. My blog is largely a devotional and inspirational one. So no, I didn’t post anything in response to people defaming President Obama. This is not because my “God looks away when it’s minorities being mocked and threatened by their president,” as Jason asserts. It’s simply because I generally don’t venture into the realm of politics. Does that mean I approve of people calling President Obama an ape? Most certainly not. Such a comment is reprehensible. I believe we should all afford one another common courtesy and basic respect. One can disagree with someone else without stooping to name calling.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:39 am
I challenge you to go talk to women who went. Their stories are different than the media. I had a face book discussion about this already. Every women who went to a March had only positive things to say. Even the pro life people.
Apologies are nice and all. And you can pray all you want. But we need action.
5 million women around the world took time to come together.
5 million women around the world took time to come together. Think about that. All for the reasons you stated.
1. Support women health. I am not pro choice just so Willy Nilly I can have an abortion. I think there are reason that are needed and I want a women to be able to get good quality care if that happens. I want access to affordable BC so women don’t have to think about making a choice about abortions.
Not all pro choice are pro abortions but we see the world not in A or B but shades of gray. I see a different way to end it convenience abortions while letting a women and her doctor have rights to do what is best without legal restrictions.
2. Can the March not be an inspiration for Men and women in those countries to start a movement? I was inspired to seek out and be a part of the solution.
Not to sit and complain on the internet but get up and DO SOMETHING.
Apologies are nice and all. And you can pray all you want. But we need action.
Raise money and volunteer for DV shelters. Apologies don’t pay for them.
3. Healthcare in America sucks. Flint has no clean drinking water. There are international organizations helping Africa but not Africa Americans.
4. Again … Not to sit and complain on the internet but get up and DO SOMETHING.
Apologies are nice and all. And you can pray all you want. But we need action.
5. I agree with this. The speaker were rude. So talk to a man about how we can do better to respect each other. Let’s not normalize “grab them by the Pussy” as locker room talk. It wrong.. teach boys to stand up against it.
6. Our PRESIDENT is having temper tantrum. He lies and pouts.
The women that went want to be the change. I was not impressed with most of the speakers.
But why not teach our children to look for the Silver lining. Women around the world came together to say We want to change the thing we cannot stand. YOU choose to see a tantrum. In the words of KellyAnn Alternative Facts.
The past happened, I apologize for people being left out.
NOW, mobilize to be the change you want to see in the world.
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January 25, 2017 at 9:29 am
Thank you for commenting. I agree with you that it’s not enough to sit back and argue or belabor the points on the Internet. If nothing else, I hope people are inspired to “do something,” as you encourage. Write your representatives, volunteer at homeless shelters or pregnancy centers, donate money to humanitarian efforts in other countries or to organizations that fight against sex trafficking and domestic abuse, consider being a foster or adoptive parent, etc. If we all take care of one another, we can truly make a positive impact on the world around us.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:20 am
I don’t like when they call him and ape either. It makes my blood boil. I don’t like his policies but to attack a man because of his race us just ignorant.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:25 am
Well said. That was an absurd comment.
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January 25, 2017 at 11:48 am
Thank you. You speak for several women embarrassed by the march. Some may have done with good intentions. Yes I am nasty, I feel like blowing up the white house, the embarrassing things that were worn or lack of there worn. ugh
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January 25, 2017 at 2:51 pm
Just to note: Flint, MI water is now at acceptable lead levels. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2017/01/24/flint-water-lead-levels/96995682/
The problem there had nothing to do with healthcare, it was because this country’s infrastructure has been ignored for 50 years.
Also, there are MANY organizations that help people here in the United States. Give me a break. I can give you details if you would like, but just do a little quick research – seriously.
If you want to take action, I am sure you can do it right in your own community. Be the change you want to see.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:54 pm
Agree Ruth, name calling is just one of the(Prov 6: 6-19) things God hates. Psalms 40:4 Blessed is that man that maketh the Lord his trust, and respect not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.
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January 24, 2017 at 11:08 pm
Thank you Linda. This was necessary.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:53 am
I have been listening, quietly for the most part, and I agree that most of what I hear is rooted in fear. It has been enlightening to realize this…both sides are afraid their views and/or rights will be trampled when the party they do not align with comes to power. It has given me more compassion to listen and try to understand.
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January 25, 2017 at 9:01 am
YES! Linda Barth! And there were those who called Michelle Obama names that I really don’t want to repeat, but we’ve all heard them. And you’re right on about speaking the truth about the facts! This kind of reminds me of the book “Animal Farm” which we probably read in high school. Remember when the pigs said, “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”?
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January 25, 2017 at 9:43 am
Thanks for this Linda! Some more thoughts:
It’s dangerous to say that because American women have more rights than some others, they can’t protest. What about the woman who lost her job after having a child because her employer didn’t give her any maternity leave? Or the numerous women who were unable to vote because they work jobs that don’t give them the flexibility to leave? Or women that go without annual checkups because they have to prioritize health for their children and don’t have excess money on hand? It’s dangerous to acknowledge the inequalities elsewhere but ignore them at home.
If we’re going to bring the Bible into this, let’s not forget that Jesus himself was a social justice fighter and a progressive when it came to including and acknowledging the role of women in his preaching.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:06 am
I’m also confused about this apology to men. Women are also portrayed to represent their stereotypes in media. Look at the endless rom coms where women are portrayed as only interested in finding a relationship and the women focused on career are often portrayed as cold and aloof. Or how about how the women that ran for president (both Hillary and Carly) were ridiculed by their male counterparts for their looks. The focus on Hillary for being cold, something that wouldn’t be said about a male. There are negative portrayals about racial groups in media as well. Why are you apologizing to (white) men when they are the main controllers of the media?
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January 25, 2017 at 2:06 pm
“Why are you apologizing to (white) men when they are the main controllers of the media?”
To clarify, I never brought race into this point at all.
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January 25, 2017 at 3:00 pm
First of all it’s against the law for a company to fire a woman for have a baby. That is a non-issue. Secondly, there is absentee voting that many Americans have to utilize and that is not something that is done “against only women.” The fact is that more men can’t get out of work to vote than women, but everyone can take advantage of absentee ballots. Thirdly, how is not having enough money to see a Dr. discrimination against women? They have far more access to free healthcare than men do. More men don’t go to the Dr. than women. The issues you bring up are not exclusive to women.
you are correct about Jesus being radical in his acknowledging the role of women, but I know as a matter of certainty that he would not approve of at least what I have seen about this march, “anyone who wishes to follow me must deny themselves.” Women’s lib is all about self-exaltation and empowerment. It truly is a paradox, “whoever loses his life for my sake will save it.”
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January 25, 2017 at 11:35 am
I know a lot of people who disagreed with President Obama. I have never heard him called any of those things. There are bullies in this world who seem to want to denigrate in the worst way anyone they disagree with. Hopefully they are in the minority on both sides. And, hopefully, they are not you and I.
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January 24, 2017 at 11:00 am
Thank you for expressing so eloquently what very many of us feel. I am honored to still have the right to share this on my Facebook page!
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January 24, 2017 at 11:10 am
This is one of the worst pieces of self-consoling tripe I have ever read. Every person I know who participated in the marches works tirelessly for the betterment of the world around them–including humanitarian work for people in the countries you mention. Global prosperity isn’t a zero-sum game. It is completely possible for American women to protect their rights, demonstrate against a misogynist president, and still work to reduce human trafficking, fight for human rights, and work toward increasing educational opportunities in third-world countries. As a man, please spare me your sympathy–I benefit far more from our society’s structures than any amount of sitcom caricature could destroy. Oh, and my wife didn’t need to sign a permission slip before I got a vasectomy. I am a straight, white, Christian father, and I am utterly appalled at the response of so many Christians who think that demonstrating peacefully is the wrong thing to do in a country that sprung from the ashes of what you would call a temper tantrum. Unbelievable.
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January 24, 2017 at 2:43 pm
You give me hope, Andrew.
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January 24, 2017 at 7:08 pm
Well Said Andrew! Thank you!
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January 24, 2017 at 7:22 pm
They are welcome to demonstrate peacefully. However, this was not about peace. It was about the right to abort unwanted babies.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:31 am
Could you please explain why there were pro life groups there then? Have you looked at the experience New Wave Feminists among others had there?
Some women marched for Reproductive Rights, others marched for Freedom from Domestic Violence (actually in jeopardy under the new administration) , A Safe Environment, Equality in the Justice System, Disability Rights, etc…
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January 25, 2017 at 2:58 pm
Were there, in fact, pro-life groups there? I’ve read articles claiming such groups were banned from attending. (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-hypocrisy-of-a-feminist-march-banning-pro-life-women/article/2612288, for one) But if there were pro-life women present, it was to try to offset the outcry for abortion on demand. They wanted to represent the women out there who support life from its very beginning. And I do know some cities organized pro-life marches as well. These didn’t make the news, of course, but I know people who participated in the March for Life in San Fransisco and in Fort Wayne, Indiana, on Saturday. And this Friday, January 27, the 44th Annual March for Life in Washington, D.C. will take place.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:30 pm
Hi S. Black. I marched in Seattle and it had nothing to do with abortion. So please do not make the mistaken assumption that this was the point of the march. Everyone I knew that went was marching for different reasons – and perhaps surprisingly to you – none of them were marching for or against abortion, regardless of our individual views on it.
I personally was marching for two reasons: the environment, and my 11 year old sister. First, I have a masters degree in Environmental Affairs and have dedicated my life to protecting the environment. We have already done so much damage to it, and President Trump has all but promised to remove what little protections we currently have. I am a strong Christian and one of the most influential passages in the Bible (to me) is that which instructs us to be stewards of the Earth. How can we possibly sit by and allow our precious world and its species to disappear all because humans prioritize money first? How can we destroy, or allow others to destroy, Gods creation without so much as a fight? I was marching to let my voice and my knowledge be heard.
Second, my 11 year old sister has watched this election. She heard the comments made by Trump. She hears boys at her school making rude comments and has been told that ‘If the President can, then so can they.’ I will NOT sit by and allow my sister to believe that she is anything less than just as valuable as any other person in this world. She has a right to her own body, no one else does. No one can touch her without her consent. No one can make her do something she doesn’t want to. She can be anything she wants to be – and while she’s at it, she deserves equal pay, equal rights and equal respect. She deserves to grow up feeling empowered. She deserves to have a President – the leader of her country – to embody this, to acknowledge this, and to fight for her like I will. I marched for her.
I am against abortion. I believe in God. I live my life serving him and servings others. And yet I marched. So please, do not assume that the point of the march was for ‘abortions on command.’ As others have urged, please get to know those that marched. I feel that if you do, your opinions may change.
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January 24, 2017 at 9:00 pm
Thank you for voicing your opinion and for clarifying the bit about consent for a vasectomy. I do know men whose wives were required to sign a consent form and meet with the doctor prior to surgery, and a quick internet search shows that it’s a fairly widespread practice, but you’re right- it’s not true in every instance. I’ve changed the wording in the post to clarify this. As for your insistence that it’s possible for American women to protect their rights while also working to reduce trafficking and fight for human rights, that’s true. But how many signs did you see encouraging education opportunities for women in third-world countries? If we’re honest, many of the signs argued for the right to free birth control and/or abortion here in America. Some of the signs were blatantly vulgar. I cannot respect vulgarity as a way to communicate one’s feelings or frustrations.
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January 24, 2017 at 10:21 pm
So some of us use nasty words. Obviously NASTY women.😜
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January 25, 2017 at 5:54 am
Andrew, you hit it on the head, thank you. Thanks to the new administrations America First policies, our gocernment will not be focusing on these important humanitarian issues. So many of the marchers I know work for theses global causes, it’s not one or the other. Just because this demonstrations was not about global humanitarian crises does not mean that these crises are not addressed or a part of the work of some of the millions demonstrators.
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January 24, 2017 at 9:32 pm
YES Andrew. So so much yes.
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January 24, 2017 at 9:57 pm
Andrew, wow, where to start…One, the protesters were not all peaceful, please refer to the above “hair lighting” incident and bullying of hotel staff when trying to help a man who was in cardiac arrest. The “peaceful protest” did not in any way remind me of the MLK protests or Mahatma Gandhi’s protests to secure freedom. Two, the author of this article has a right to free speech. The tone of your response is much like the bullying we hear from the “tolerant” who are anything but tolerant if you don’t agree with them. Three, I am a nurse, I worked for a Urologist, and yes, he required a signature from the spouse to perform a vasectomy. And most importantly, four, a friend of mine is an atheist and has shown more willingness to understand the issues, and kindness as she questions, than you have exhibited in your post.
Ruth, thank you for your thoughtful post, I am sorry not all responses were as respectful in tone. I guess virulent responses are considered free speech, for that I am sorry.
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January 25, 2017 at 7:04 am
Renee, the VAST majority of the marchers were PEACEFUL and RESPECTFUL. Focus on the just as much as pointing out a few awful examples of negativity and coloring the whole March by those few incidents.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:16 pm
Excellent response Renee.
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January 24, 2017 at 10:52 pm
Andrew, THANK you for your reply. It was brilliantly worded. Some seem to forget, or never realize, that every right and advantage they have now is because someone has suffered before them & marched so that we who came later would have a better life. It amazes me how threatened these people felt by a peaceful march. I think, because of the sheer volume of marchers & the fact that so many from multiple countries stood with the women, it just might be making some question if they are on the wrong side of history after all.
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January 25, 2017 at 3:23 pm
The rights that those women marched for were the rights to vote, the rights for equal pay, the rights to work, the rights to be heard and recognized. Not the rights to murder a child in the womb. AND they managed to do it fully clothed – not in vagina costumes, in other words, they managed to do so while retaining their dignity.
The problem is not with the people who marched peaceably, the problem is with the guest speakers that were chosen to represent those who would attend. When you rally behind and applaud their speeches you affirm everything they say and do.They were vile and vulgar. Not anywhere near the class of Rosa Parks or Susan B.Anthony. They would be rolling in their graves if they could have seen this.
BTW, this is the very reason that I was against Trump. His character! He is supposed to be a representative of us and it disgusts me.But I don’t think the answer is to behave in a way that proves to the world that his character actually IS an accurate representation of who we are. I hope during this time we will all strive to show the BEST that we can be, to rise above this denigration of character. The very thing these people say that they hate about Trump – they are worse! They are more vile, the fact that that hypocrisy escapes people like you is astounding.
The only rights that women might be in danger of losing is the right to have someone else paying for their abortions, which should not be a right in the first place as it infringes on the rights of others – both the rights of property and the rights of conscience. so perhaps the rights of the consciences for Americans to not have to pay for something they find to be morally reprehensible will be restored. The most fundamental right of all is the right of conscience.
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January 24, 2017 at 11:13 pm
Andrew, thank you so much. I am quite honestly appalled at the shaming that took place in this article. The apology to men? Seriously? Thousands of men marched in solidarity.
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January 25, 2017 at 1:10 am
couldn’t agree with you more…
this whole post sounded like “well, yeah, my spouse beats me. but only on the side of my ribs, and only once a month…” american women should just settle for “good enough” equality, because women in other countries are also suffering unjustly and undeservedly?
no. just. no. to this whole post.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:53 am
Spot on, Andrew. Thank you for this.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:05 am
Well said Andrew. I support the women who peacefully marched and am appalled when other women feel the need to criticize their efforts to fight for equal rights in all areas. We do not have equal pay or paid maternity leave, we are under-represented in both the boardroom and the government. We are still sexualized and objectified. If it wasn’t for the women of our past like Susan B. Anthony, Rose Schneiderman, Eleanor Roosevelt marching for our rights, we might not have the right to vote, the ability to work in politics or in humane working conditions. Rights that you were born into and take for granted. We have made wonderful gains over the past 100 years but there is still more to be done. The United States ranks 28 in the world for women’s rights behind Iceland, Rwanda and Slovenia to name a few. You can sit at your keyboard and type out your denial of facts but they are still the facts. The marches on Saturday were not violent, there were no arrests in any city. We marched for our rights and for yours whether you want to admit you are not equal to a man or not.
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January 25, 2017 at 6:36 pm
Actually we fell to 45th place last year. (We were 20th in 2014, 28th in 2015 and 45th in 2016.)
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January 25, 2017 at 6:37 pm
And yes -spot on! Every incident of violence mentioned here happened on Friday, NOT at the March on Saturday.
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January 25, 2017 at 11:37 am
Bravo and so well said. I have about had enough of what amounts to “Sit down and shut up. People in other countries have it worse”. Thank you!
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January 25, 2017 at 6:14 pm
Well said. It’s easy to forget the luxuries we take for granted are only afforded because someone marched for the right.
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January 25, 2017 at 7:56 pm
Yes! This! The other women I know who marched, Christian and non-Christian, all already do many of the things she suggested. Volunteer at women’s shelters, donate to or are involved at organizations that fight sex trafficking, foster children, adopt children from the US and abroad, and/or get involved with politics on a local and state level. Interestingly enough, the women throwing a temper tantrum about the women’s march, many of whom invoke the same call to “do something instead of just marching”, aren’t involved in or doing any of those things.
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January 26, 2017 at 8:05 am
Thank you!
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January 26, 2017 at 10:39 am
Absolutely spot on, Andrew!
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January 24, 2017 at 11:59 am
Ruth Meyer, well written apology to the women in the world who truly are oppressed and victims. There are injustices in the USA–many courts still favor men over women and child support restitution is a fraud. However, I find society lets men off the hook with boys will be boys mentality. The sexual revolution turned into oppressing women —instead of empowering women to say NO to sex; instead it removed the reason according to men for women to say no–conception; contraception and abortion were the responsibility of a woman.
The end of your piece does not take a stand instead you want to placate everyone; as if all behavior is to be condoned and all we have to do is love everyone and allow everyone to continue as is. Exhortation and shining the light on hypocrisy and what truly the fight for all human rights and dignity looks like, in my opinion is NOT what was exhibited on Saturday.
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January 24, 2017 at 12:14 pm
I’m not a religious person but I think you hit the nail on the head describing the disturbing hypocrisy we see from the left. Not one liberal I know (and most of my friends are) seems to express any knowledge or interest in women’s rights not to be raped or killed in some foreign country where “feminism” would be punishable by death. They don’t respond to news of attacks on females, they have nothing but kind words for the cultures that do these horrific things. and yet if a man smiles at them sideways they accuse him of being “rapey”. I’m pretty sick of it.
How are our sons supposed to have healthy relationships with women when the majority of women are convinced that inside every male is a monster, and everything he says and does should be examined for signs that his monster is about to attack them?? It’s sad. Their only option is to behave in the precise way that falls into the narrow definition of an acceptable specimen of their gender. Exactly the kind of thing that feminism was originally trying to help women escape!! Ugh. The amount and intensity of the hypocrisy happening with this movement is so powerful if we could collect it we wouldn’t need fossil fuels anymore.
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January 24, 2017 at 12:32 pm
I’m sorry that you are so naive that you believe if we fight for our own rights, we are not fighting for ALL women’s rights. Perhaps if we had more of a voice and say about our policies in our own country, we would be better equipped to help those throughout the world. (Hint, hint! Policy enacted yesterday to limit women’s health funding to those countries you so lovingly pitied in your note.)
I’m sorry that you feel that if one area of the world is oppressed, we should throw up our hands and yield to the oppression we face in our own lives. You think some of those women (AND MEN) who marched have not been abused and are not entitled to a voice?? Even if a woman could say they have faced ABSOLUTELY NO sexism or oppression, does that mean that they should not use their voice to help others?
I’m sorry you don’t research topics and then use data to make a salient point. There is some considerable irony in your assertion that women mock and belittle men through TV, movies, and ads, compared to the reality that the majority of Hollywood writers are men (13% to be exact). So, really, who is mocking whom??
I’m sorry you are offended by the sight of comical versions of the human body. Maybe if our president didn’t express his forceful desire to grab said body parts, we wouldn’t feel the need to be explicitly clear that they are off limits.
I’m sorry you forget that men were a big part of this march. Many men support us and our efforts for equality and do not see it as a threat or an effort to demean them. My husband listens to my rants everyday and is incredibly supportive of my right to assert my views, even if we disagree on them.
I’m sorry that you also missed the reports that the march was overwhelmingly peaceful. So, I’m sorry that I do not understand your argument that we are teaching our children a double standard. I will also be more than happy to encourage any child to productively fight for their rights and against injustices for others, rather than be a quiet robot who is seen and not heard.
I’m sorry that you just don’t get where millions of men, women, and children are coming from. I truly am sorry for that. 😦
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January 24, 2017 at 12:40 pm
Sorry – the stat should say that 13% of Hollywood writers are women.
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January 24, 2017 at 4:14 pm
Solid burn! Well said, and glad you took time to write this out.
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January 24, 2017 at 7:14 pm
Amen Mariah Amen!
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January 24, 2017 at 8:01 pm
Yes yes yes. Thank you for saying this. Not to mention there were women’s walks WORLDWIDE Saturday. From Malawi to Sydney to Antarctica.
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January 24, 2017 at 8:18 pm
I came to say this – only I wouldn’t have been as eloquent. Thank you!
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January 24, 2017 at 8:54 pm
I’m with you 100%
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January 24, 2017 at 10:37 pm
I’m very glad if indeed those who marched on Saturday marched for all women’s rights across the globe. If you have a productive way to help fight the one-child policy in China, I’d love to know so I can help as well. Contrary to what you believe about me, I do not “feel that if one area of the world is oppressed, we should throw up our hands and yield to the oppression we face in our own lives.” I agree with some of the platforms for the marches. I am firmly against racial profiling. I am firmly against sexism. I am firmly against violence against women- ALL women, including the unborn baby girls (and boys!) who have no say in the legislation regarding abortion. Others have also pointed out that these marches were partly for women in oppressed countries, but as I’ve mentioned before, I saw no signs to prove this point. Many of the signs I saw pictured were pushing for birth control and abortion, mixed in with a fair share of “comical versions of the human body,” as you say. Yes, I am offended by this, and many other women were as well. We don’t need to mock our bodies or be crude in depicting them to get a point across. If a man dressed up as his unique body part, I would be offended as well.
As for your argument about most Hollywood writers being male, that may well be true, but our society as a whole has allowed “male bashing” as the norm. Take, for instance, the June 2016 issue of Reader’s Digest, which had a feature story of “Survive Anything!” On the cover was a confident looking woman, and cowering behind her was a man with a goofy look on his face like he was scared (I think). I’m not trying to single out RD, but it stands out at me because in future letters to the editor people commented on that picture, so I know I’m not the only one who thought something of it. Or commercials like the Clorox or Lysol wipes one from a few years ago when the husband comes out proudly with a dripping plunger and sets it on the kitchen table, announcing he fixed the toilet. Sure, it gets the point across that the wipes will kill those germs, but seriously, do you know any man who would do such a stupid thing? In terms of movies, certainly not every movie depicts men as idiots, but even some kids’ movies assert this point. “Rio,” as an example, has the main character of Linda, who is, for the most part, professional and confident. Tulio (the male lead), on the other hand, is made to look sort of idiotic. Even the birds follow this pattern- Blu is the nervous, awkward ninny while Jewel is well rounded and sure of herself. I’ve even seen TV cartoons that show men bumbling around trying to figure something out until a female appears to save the day and figure out their problem imediately. One may claim I’m nitpicking, but if the roles were reversed and the woman was the one portrayed as a helpless or incompetent person, I don’t think people would stand for it. Neither should we stand for men being mocked or belittled.
As for your claim that I don’t understand where millions of men, women, and children are coming from, you’re partly right. Some of the marchers were there for very different reasons. The very first guiding principle of the Women’s March on Washington says this: “We believe that Women’s Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Women’s Rights.” Very well. And what exactly are “human rights”? By my definition, the right to be born is a basic human right. Yet the “reproductive freedom” tenet supports abortion. You’re right- I do not understand this contradiction.
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January 25, 2017 at 12:44 pm
Darn autocorrect! This should read: “To your rebuttal that I was INcorrect in asserting that you felt ‘that if one area of the world is oppressed…”
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January 26, 2017 at 10:48 am
Mariah, PLEASE run for office! I appreciate your frank and common-sense approach to rebuttal!
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January 25, 2017 at 8:54 am
Yes, thank you for this.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:37 am
Well said!
Thank you for bringing up the double standards mentioned and for mentioning how women around the globe were already effected by executing orders from this administration.
I don’t understand the narrative of look how much worse off these other women are, but silence at this. It baffles me how this falls under anything Jesus taught.
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January 25, 2017 at 3:41 pm
Thank you for providing a perfect example of how liberals practice deceit. You said, “Policy enacted yesterday to limit women’s health funding to those countries you so lovingly pitied in your note.)”
What was done was to stop funding abortions in other countries. But the way you’all make your statements makes it sound as though we are putting women’s health in danger, as if they needed an emergency hysterectomy and there is no American there to pay for it, so the woman will die and it will all be our fault. It’s not a right out lie but it leads people to believe something that is not the truth and you know it, that is why it is so carefully crafted. To give you the benefit of the doubt, perhaps you are just so accustomed to the phrase that you repeat what you hear without thinking about it.
All of the females who will not die because we are not paying for it will certainly have better “health.”
Why should America pay for the abortions of the world? We now have the blood of the whole world on our hands. Nazi Germany couldn’t hold a candle to what we have done. In other countries especially women have no choice, they are forced to have abortions (not just in China, but many third world countries).
WHAT IS YOUR OBSESSION WITH MURDERING BABIES?????
When you speak you reveal who your true father is.
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January 26, 2017 at 12:37 am
I hope you take the time to better understand the Mexico City Policy if you would like to debate its merits. Additionally, you should be aware that even without the actions Trump took, there are still regulations in place to ensure that no federal funds are provided to any organization (foreign or domestic) to conduct abortions. The funds provided to these NGOs and even domestically to Planned Parenthood are restricted to services such as pap smears, cancer screenings, HIV screenings and treatment, maternal and child health services, disease prevention, etc.
The policy states that the NGO cannot use *any* funds, including non-U.S. funds (so funds from a private citizen or other non-profit), to support abortions or education related to their family planning efforts.
Just curious, when you tithe your 10% and tell the church it’s specifically for the building fund and NOT for the soup kitchen, do you also get to dictate that they cannot use every other church member’s money to fund the soup kitchen because you don’t like it and don’t see its importance?
The irony is that there is actually research to show that when this policy is not enacted (so, funding is allowed to the organization, but NOT for abortions), the abortion rate actually goes down because women are able to receive education and other forms of contraception! So this week’s actions are actually expected to increase the abortion rate! (See a full policy review and research citations here: https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/fact-sheet/mexico-city-policy-explainer.)
I tried to post this earlier, but for whatever reason, it’s not being approved. So maybe this one will make it through. If more of the comments had come through at the time my first comment had posted and I could see that this was really just an article about abortion, I may never had joined the conversation. I really don’t see any value in engaging in online debates about pro-choice vs. anti-abortion policies. They just go ’round and ’round – I will ALWAYS believe that you have no right to tell me what to do with MY body (and yes, I believe that the fetus inside me would be a part of MY body), and you will always disagree. You can call me a “baby murderer” or godless all you like; I’ve got thick skin. I made it through two decades of the SBC and still came out a proud feminist with my own approach to different policies.
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January 24, 2017 at 3:18 pm
Are you actually implying that those women who marched weren’t marching for the rights of all women? And do you realize women from other countries marched that day as well? And the majority of them had the wellbeing of all women, no matter the country or race, in their mind wholeheartedly. This isn’t just a march for the women we select. This is a march and an awareness for all women as a whole. Everywhere.
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January 24, 2017 at 4:04 pm
The oppression of women in other countries was one of the platforms of the womens march and why it was a worldwide event, not a national one.
There are injustices that women face within our country that need to be eradicated and settling for “better than other countries” is not acceptable. How fortunate for you that you do not appear to have been a victim of any of the many crimes that are committed against women in this country.
My husband had a vasectomy only a few weeks ago and my consent was never asked for by the doctor or his office – you seem to be misinformed on that one, at least in making such a blanket statement.
That being said I do agree with some of the things you voiced and as a feminist, I am very embarrassed and frustrated by the way women were so vulgarly portrayed in this march. What a shame for the cause of women’s rights.
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January 24, 2017 at 9:41 pm
You’re right about the vasectomy consent, and I changed the wording in the post to be more accurate. It’s fairly common for women to have to give their consent, but it varies from doctor to doctor. In terms of the oppression of women in other countries being one of the platforms of the marches, that may be true. I have read through the “Guiding Vision and Definition of Principles” (https://static1.squarespace.com/static/584086c7be6594762f5ec56e/t/587ffb31d2b857e5d49dcd4f/1484782386354/WMW+Guiding+Vision+%26+Definition+of+Principles.pdf) for the Women’s March on Washington, and you may be referring to the very first one: “We believe that Women’s Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Women’s Rights. This is the basic and original tenet for which we unite to March on Washington.” That’s fairly generic, but it may be intended to imply that women all over the world deserve basic human rights. Beyond that, there are a number of other basic tenets for the march, and I cannot find one specific principle referring to oppressed women in other countries. Most argue for gender equality, reproductive rights (namely, abortion and birth control), racial justice, “LGBTQIA” rights, a fair economy, equal pay, civil rights, immigration reform, and environmental protection, in addition to speaking against violence against women, racial profiling, and police brutality. Perhaps there were indeed women who marched to show support for women in other countries, but as I mention in another reply, I saw no signs pushing for this cause. Most that I saw were arguing for free birth control and abortion on demand. And I certainly agree with you that the vulgarity was an embarrassment and did not help the cause. Thank you for your comments.
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January 24, 2017 at 10:10 pm
Ruth, thank you again for making this opportunity to have, mostly, a courteous discussion. There is a TED talk that is very interesting, presenting the “boring” solutions that have the power to change the circumstances around the globe, at least economically. Implementing these (TED talk) will change more for women, in less developed nations, than any protest march. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C30bJBcM_0c
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January 25, 2017 at 9:35 am
Naive & uninformed for sure. Wonderful that there are a few women that havent had to experience the brutally of the male narcissist/psychopath/sociopath which is a growing epidemic in this country. Now we have one as a president setting an example & condoning it. I dont believe that you do not respect yourselves, you simply are fortunate enough to have been so sheltered from reality. Christian women are expected to obey their husbands. How absurd is this? Women are not dogs. If your a Christian, I have little respect for your views & opinions.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:02 pm
“If [you’re] a Christian, I have little respect for your views & opinions.”
I’m sorry that Christianity is the one religious view that is not tolerated. And I would like to engage you in conversation about your statement that Christian women are expected to obey their husbands, even comparing us to dogs. But if you do not respect my views and opinions, very well. I will respect your wishes.
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January 24, 2017 at 4:23 pm
I think the author did present an interesting point when she mentioned the gross inequalities happening to women in other countries. However, I think that even further reaffirms the importance of this global march and the fact that it occurred across the globe from Kenya to Iraq, Saudi Arabia to Canada https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/17/us/womens-march.html?_r=0
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January 24, 2017 at 6:19 pm
Bravo..Thank You for speaking my mind… That was AWESOME !!
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January 24, 2017 at 6:26 pm
Amen! Thank you for this profound and powerful post. You write what is on many women’s mind and believe in.
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January 24, 2017 at 6:58 pm
I find it so interesting that you believe American women should not fight for equality because other countries have it worse. Have we reached some form of perfection? Certainly not. Is it not possible to further the cause of both? Trumps whole platform is based on America first. Well, let’s really start with America.
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January 24, 2017 at 7:00 pm
AMAZING.
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January 24, 2017 at 7:05 pm
Standing ovation, Mariah!
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January 24, 2017 at 7:13 pm
Here’s some insight into the perspective of one the marchers, me.
While I’m personally against abortions that occur after just a several weeks from conception or later, the logic behind not wanting the government to force you to have birth is the same logic behind not wanting the government to force you have an abortion – the logic behind both opinions is the desire to chose how many kids you have instead of the government choosing for you. Obviously you can often chose how many kids you have even without abortions by using contraceptives but they all have a failure rate and some pregnancies happen because of rape.
You can want equal rights for humans in Saudi Arabia and in the US – it’s not a zero sum game. And wanting equal rights has no relation to taking your existing freedoms for granted. I have to guess, but my guess is that virtually all the marchers realize and appreciate freedoms we have that many others don’t and still want equal rights for people in other countries as well as here. I see no logic behind apologizing for that.
I have basically the same thoughts about healthcare as I do for equal rights above. You can want better access to healthcare here and in other countries – they’re in no means mutually exclusive.
I have long talked against the stupid stereotypes about men – such as the common ‘men are terrible parents’ one. Fortunately there has been greater criticism against these stereotypes in advertising that has resulted in several offensive and stereotypical ads being pulled. I’m against those stereotypes and for the believe that women, and all humans, shouldn’t have disadvantages just because they’re a women or because they’re a member of a certain demographic.
As far as the apology for abortions without the sex partner’s consent: Again, I generally disagree with abortions that occur several weeks after conception but the pregnant human is obviously the one that has to go through pregnancy and birth so I think it would be very weird to give a one night stand partner, or even a long term partner, control over of the pregnant person when it’s that person that has to go through all the hard parts. The believe that there’s a wide spread requirement for spousal consent for a vasectomy is a misconception but if that was the case, I indeed would see some irony, as does the author.
Individuals who commit crimes during protest do sometimes get too many excuses and leeway from people sympathetic to the cause – adult temper tantrums as the author labels them. But there were no arrest and I’ve seen no reports of criminal behavior from a single person – which is unbelievable with 3-4 million participants. And when I say unbelievable, I literally mean it . I don’t believe there wasn’t a single criminal action warranting arrest but the fact that there were so few that no one was arrested or recorded doing it is amazing. I can’t give enough kudos to the participants for this.
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January 24, 2017 at 11:02 pm
Thank you for your honest response and for the courteous manner in which you communicate your thoughts. I would like to address the point you make in the first paragraph. You claim that the “logic behind not wanting the government to force you to have [give?] birth is the same logic behind not wanting the government to force you to have an abortion- the logic behind both opinions is the desire to choose how many kids you have instead of the government choosing for you.” On the surface, this seems a very logical statement. But it’s not that cut and dry. I believe, as do millions of other Americans, that abortion ends a human life. Murder is against the law in all other contexts. So the government of China forcing a woman to abort her child is ending the life of that unborn child. Fighting for a woman’s “right to choose” here in America is, in my belief, arguing that she should be allowed to kill her baby. If abortion were to be made illegal, it’s not that the government is legislating how many kids you have; it’s protecting life at its most vulnerable level- in the womb. A woman who is faced with an unexpected pregnancy is in no way required to raise the child. She can choose to give it up for adoption, and I know a number of couples who could not have children of their own and were ecstatic to be able to adopt.
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January 25, 2017 at 12:10 am
It is interesting to me that pro-life supporters are all about supporting the rights of the baby. However, when the baby is born and the mother is possibly an unfit mother, is not financially stable, etc…. these people are no where to be found. These people fight for the government who also puts a disgustingly lack of money towards education and other social policies. Additionally, giving a child up for adoptions can potentially be more emotionally scaring than an abortion. It is not your body, you have ZERO right to say what another does with they body. Just as no one has a right to say what you do with your body. JUST BECAUSE YOU SUPPORT FREE CHOICE DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU NEED TO GET AN ABORTION. And incase you are unaware, abortions are GOING to happen whether they are legal or not. However, the pro-life phylosophy is just going to cause an increase in UNSAFE abortions. Wouldn’t you rather that if it is going to be done, that the mother is going to be safe? The issue that is occurring in China is not the same issue that is occurring in North America in regards to abortion. Stop comparing them.
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January 25, 2017 at 9:07 am
“It is not your body, you have ZERO right to say what another does with they body.”
I agree. And a baby in the womb is not, in fact, part of your body. He or she has his or her own body.
You bring up an excellent point about pro-lifers stepping up to the plate to support women who are unfit or unequipped to handle raising a child. I have friends who volunteer at pregnancy centers, others who take in foster children, and even one who is looking to adopt children in addition to the three biological children she has. I encourage more pro-life people to consider such possibilities. We can be doing so much more to reach out and care for both the mothers and the children.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:41 am
I would like to try to address you’re first paragraph and the idea of government having any say in whether or not a woman must or must not have a child. I believe this is precisely where the word “choice” is misused or at the very least misunderstood. Were abortion illegal my “choice” and right to create or not create a life would not be hindered. How so? Because choice also means “decision” and these choices should be made before intercourse. If one does not fully understand the consequences of an action and is not prepared to deal with those consequences without denying another their basic human rights, then one shouldn’t be participating in that action. It’s not an “accident” if birth control fails when we know beforehand it is not “100℅ effective”. But it is a Choice to engage in intercourse with this knowledge. But there is the rub isn’t it? To have Choice without abrogating the Responsibility, however difficult, that comes with it. And lest anyone forget the devastated women who are victims of rape or for whom their very lives are truly in danger through pregnancy, let’s address that. These are those grey areas that are most difficult, because they combine the awful confliction between the rights of two worthy souls. I have never been able to come up with a solution for this problem. I truly wish I could. I know what my choice would be. But I do believe this: the vast majority of abortions are not a result of these two situations and surely we can come up with a solution that would be fair to whatever choice these particular women encounter without throwing them in with those abortions which could and should be prevented. In the end this isn’t so much about Choice as it is about Personal Responsibility. That’s the elephant in the room everyone seems to avoid. I want to have sex when I please with ineffective birth control paid for by someone else and I will not be burdened in my Choice with inconvenient and difficult consequences concerning someone else’s right to a life. That’s ignorant immaturity and not worthy of someone who would call herself a Woman.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:02 am
I pay for your churches.
They get a tax exempt status that help them. Your schools get government funding.
I’m ok with that. You can believe whatever you want and teach your children. Even if I think it not the right religion.
I want planned parenthood to be funded because I want to help people get cancer screening so it costs less to treat them. I want a low income women to be given resources and education to prevent pregnancy or help her keep a baby.
I want to end abortions if that means I pay for a low income women to have birth control so she can love her husband with a much lower risk. I’m ok with that.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:07 pm
nice and well said.
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January 25, 2017 at 3:54 pm
This reply is for Margaret, but there was no place to reply on her comment. So Margaret, you said, “I pay for your churches.” This is not even a little bit true. Not a single dime of tax payer money is given to churches. Churches getting a tax exemption is NOT equal to you paying for churches. You guys are the ones who cry “Separation of Church and state,” except for when it comes to their money? Be consistent at least….or maybe your just didn’t understand that. Hopefully it is clear to you now.
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January 26, 2017 at 8:21 am
Thank you for such a clear, reasonable and important view on this debate, Marianne. I totally agree with you about that elephant in the room that is being avoided.
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January 24, 2017 at 8:51 pm
I’m going to be as nice as possible, although I disagree with you in almost every way. I am a rape victim. I grew up in a low income family. I have had several jobs where I was paid less and not taken as seriously as my male counterparts. Do I feel for oppressed and victimized women around the world? Yes. Do I feel for the people in third world countries who have no access to healthcare? Yes. In fact, I’ve been on several mission trips to try to help these people. You heard correctly.. a left wing Christian. Why do I think your message is so horrific? Because you think the people who marched are only thinking about themselves and not others in the world. Did you ever stop to think that we marched for every woman. We believe in equal rights. Women have come a long way in this country, but we still have work to do. Does the U.S. have it better than most countries? Absolutely. That’s why I’m proud to be an American. But being an American gives me the right to voice my opinion and protest. I’m willing to bet that if women in other countries had these rights, they would fight for equality, too. But hey, let me think like you for a minute. Let’s go back in time to when women were officially allowed to vote. That was a huge feat for us! But we still couldn’t have the jobs mean had. We couldn’t be in the military fighting for our country. We were expected to have the cookie cutter jobs and take care of the kids. But hey, we had it better than most countries, so why would we fight for more right? Wrong. You see what I’m getting at here… we can’t settle. Women don’t care to be superior to men.. or maybe some do.. but we’re certainly not equals yet. Have you researched our salary differences? But hey… might as well not keep fighting right.. we have it better than most people. That’s pathetic. I marched for equal rights. I marched to show that no man will have control of me again. I marched for women around the ENTIRE world. And ummm.. hey, don’t know if you did your research but.. women around the ENTIRE world marched too. It wasn’t just Americans. So you know what? I’m sorry. I’m sorry you can’t see how powerful the march was. I’m sorry you couldn’t be a part of it. You missed something great. Everyone in the world has Jesus’s love. What does that have to do with fighting for my rights? Women in other countries have their own struggles. We have ours. It’s not wrong to fight for what we believe in.
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January 24, 2017 at 11:27 pm
Taylor, thank you for your honesty. I truly am sorry that your life experiences have been what they are. You have been taken advantage of, and this is unacceptable. I am all for taking a stand against violence against women and working for equal pay and equal opportunities in the workforce. Those are viable things to strive for. And I do not, as you assert, “think the people who marched are only thinking about themselves and not others in the world.” I’m certain there were a number of women (and men!) who marched for human rights worldwide. But there were also a large number of women whose signs indicated they were mainly there to push for free birth control and abortion on demand In this country. I am personally against abortion, so to see so many people vocally supporting it saddened me. Perhaps the way the marches were represented were unfair, in that the “extremes” made the news for shock value, but quite honestly, the protests, signs, and costumes I saw in pictures were distasteful at best, and did in some ways portray the image of women marching for selfish reasons such as free birth control and even tampons.
I’m sorry if my tie-in about Jesus didn’t resonate with you. My point is that our worth doesn’t depend on the rights we do or don’t have in any given country. My worth isn’t defined by anyone else. I know I’m created by God and redeemed by Him. To Him, I am priceless. I hope and pray you have the same confidence in knowing Jesus as your Savior.
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January 25, 2017 at 12:19 am
If asking for free birth control and tampons is selfish, then so is men having tax free Viagra and Rogaine. Weird… because a woman having her period is a NATURAL thing that every woman has. Didn’t know getting a boner and not having bald spots was more important than ensuring that a woman does not get blood on her pants. Also, how can you tell women that they should not have access to free birth control AND when they get pregnant from not having access to birth control, they can’t abort their UNWANTED baby?
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January 25, 2017 at 9:12 am
As I’ve said in other comments, I believe abortion is ending a human life. Would it be acceptable to anyone if I said, “You know, I just don’t want the responsibility of raising my two-month-old anymore, so I’m going to kill him?” Absolutely not. Yet that same baby three months ago, still in the womb, could be terminated legally. That is incredibly contradictory to me.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:56 pm
SJ, I fully agree with you.
Ruth, as I have said in a previous comment, I am against abortion. I am for abortion being made illegal. HOWEVER, if this is the case, it needs to be accompanied by increased women’s health care, easier access to birth control and free clinics that provide education and treatment. It is irresponsible and unhelpful to deny proper health care in the face of removing what – to some – seems like the only option. Women that are put in the place of making a choice to have an abortion need support. They need support and education. I believe that this was a major point of the women’s march – instead of a group of women tearing down other women for making choices that they disagree with, why are we not supporting them? Showing them love at the times when they need it most?
If you take a minute to look up some statistics, you’ll notice that in times when health care access has been the easiest, abortion rates have dropped (this sentence is not meant to be condescending, but rather to impart that I do not have the time now to find links to articles, so I urge you to take the time yourself to see). It is easy to see that when a woman has access to health care, she immediately has more options when faced with a pregnancy.
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January 25, 2017 at 6:50 pm
Thank you. I also am a “left wing Christian” and I also was in DC for the March. there are a lot of us out there – but in my experience we tend to quietly go about our work to help others rather than screaming about our religious freedom being infringed upon because someone else isn’t conforming to our religion.
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January 24, 2017 at 9:32 pm
So because the rest of the world has struggles means we shouldn’t fight for rights in America? Tell me, because some countries don’t have clean drinking water does that mean you drink from the closest muddy creek because you don’t deserve clean water either? Women across the world deserve rights, every single one of them. Why shouldn’t that start at home?
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January 24, 2017 at 11:36 pm
Indeed. Women across the world do deserve rights. And certainly, why shouldn’t that start here? But what rights exactly were people marching for here? I don’t deny that there can be more gender equality, especially in terms of the pay scale. But one of the guiding principles of the Women’s March on Washington was “reproductive freedom,” and from the signs I saw, it certainly appeared that was a main reason many of the marchers were out there. It appears disingenuous to me that people can march for human rights for all women while ignoring the silent minority of those in the womb. Who is standing up for their rights and their lives? Why do they not count when we discuss human rights?
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January 24, 2017 at 9:51 pm
Women in the countries you mentioned ALSO MARCHED with us on Saturday by the way.
But it’s cool how you try to derail our concerns by telling us how it could be worse. That’s always how real progress and societal betterment are made.
Your opinion is not unique. It’s the same conservative garbage spewed out by every unaware, self concerned white person on the internet.
You don’t see the relevancy of female empowerment, or for taking a stand against mistreatment/poverty/racism/bigotry. You don’t see these problems in modern American society because you’re a token Christian white girl. You fit the conservative mold. You haven’t grown up in a ghetto, in poverty, you haven’t grown up gay, you haven’t grown up with criminality written into your skin, you haven’t grown up with a religion outside of the mainstream.
Honey, you sit and preach your “ground-breaking” unoriginal opinions having never experienced real suffering or oppression. And you use these opinions to attempt to tell the people who have that their suffering isn’t good enough to march for.
I don’t care if you built a church in Uganda. If you’re actively writing letters to try to silence unity in suffering and fear you are a jerk and you need to re-examine your “Christianity”. Because you’re confusing it with your middle class, white ability to sit everything out. That’s called privilege.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:46 am
I’m sorry you feel that my skin color, economic status, and religious views make me what I am. But you’re partly correct, actually. My Christian beliefs do shape me as a person. I believe Jesus died for everyone regardless of color, race, income, etc, and I am secure in the knowledge that I am a forgiven and redeemed child of God. And if other people can read about Jesus through my posts, I’m okay with the negative comments that come as a result.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:25 pm
“If you’re actively writing letters to try to silence unity in suffering and fear you are a jerk” – If this suffering in unity and fear has a solution then out with it – What is the solution? More of the ‘governmental same’ that continues to shackle people to their sin and unforgiven shame? The writer spoke of the grace God offers through His Son Jesus. That is the only solution God has offered for our suffering that heals the hurts of the abuse we have endured, and also the shame of our improper response to the abuse by accusing and abusing others. You don’t have to be ‘privileged’ to know this love nor be able to point someone to this hope that heals our hurts and helps us see clearly the truth behind the deception of this ‘pro choice’ march cloaked in human rights!
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January 26, 2017 at 9:34 am
The first really rude comment on this thread. Are you proud of yourself? You sound extremely prejudice against white people and Christians.
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January 24, 2017 at 10:43 pm
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MEN!!! BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THESE FEMINIST ISSUES MARCHERS CARE ABOUT BUT IM
TOO LAZY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WORD MEANS BECAUSE MEN MIGHT CALL ME MEAN NAMES!!
Get a clue. Give up your vote and your property rights and your job if you don’t need this March. I for one am thankful for all the women before me who marched so I could vote and own a home in my own name. You’re disgusting.
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January 24, 2017 at 11:07 pm
I marched so you don’t have to say your sorry anymore.
I matched for the women in China to have the freedom to have more than one child.
I marched for the women of Saudi Arabia to have a life of freedom.
I marched for the right of children to grow up in a country not ruled by hate and fear.
I marched becuase I can and I care.
What did you do for the women of China for the people in Saudi Arabia for the children of this great country?
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January 25, 2017 at 8:57 am
I’m glad you marched for all those things. Would you please clarify for me what you mean when you say, “I marched for the right of children to grow up in a country not ruled by hate and fear”? Are you referring specifically to the current administration by that statement? There are certainly countries that ARE ruled by hate and fear, but I do not believe America is one of them. I don’t doubt that many people in this country have been victims of hate, victims of crimes, etc. That is inexcusable. But a discussion such as the one we’re having now would not be tolerated in a country that was ruled by hate and fear, where speaking our mind, even when that means speaking against the leader of the country, could result in imprisonment or even death. I do not believe my children are growing up in a country ruled with hate or fear. Ironically, what I fear for them the most is religious freedom. In a country where “tolerance” is somewhat of a rally cry for many, I have found my own Christian views are the exception to that. My beliefs are not tolerated because I hold to the views of the Bible rather than what popular opinion happens to be. I fear that more and more religious freedom will be taken away as my children grow up.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:13 pm
Tell that to the several journalists who were arrested, jailed, and had property stolen while covering the inaugural protests. They are facing felony charges for doing nothing illegal. Seems to me that our, media-hating administration is trying to send a message.
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January 24, 2017 at 11:29 pm
I’m concerned by this mentality. Jesus does not talk about helping the most oppressed. No, He talks about helping the oppressed. Because some in other countries are more oppressed, it does not negate the dynamics in the United States. It is not a mutually exclusive concept. The march wasn’t just for our rights in the US to be expanded, but rather for women’s rights all over the world. There is a scale of inequality, but God is not a God of value judgements, He is a refuge for all, a Father of all the oppressed.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:43 pm
And the rights of men to have, hold and nurture their child in the mother’s womb – where is that right when a woman chooses otherwise? The unborn are human, too! At one point you were unborn! Thankfully nobody was marching that day! God is the God of the fatherless and the oppressed even as He is the Lord and Savior of those who repent and trust in Jesus Christ His Son. So if we are going to march let us march for righteousness sake and not hide from the abomination called abortion or other perversions… righteousness exalts a nation but sin brings it’s reproach!
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January 24, 2017 at 11:55 pm
Ruth,
You continue to talk about “most of the signs you saw” which really means most of the signs you saw in the media. There were almost 3 million people marching and you didn’t even attend, do you really believe you have a true idea of the majority of the signs or even the atmosphere of the march. Additionally, people keep speaking of the pony tail burning icodent (which is appalling and uncalled for) but that didn’t even happen at the women’s march, it occurred during the inauguration and was highly posted on media the next day (the day of the women’s march). If we are so disgusted by women talking about their p**** then perhaps we shouldn’t have elected a man who talks about grabbing a woman by the p****. Women are trying to reclaim this word as a word of power after feeeling so degraded by the way in which our current president chose to use the word. Also REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS/PLANNED PARENTHOOD DOES NOT = ONLY ABORTION AND BIRTH CONTROL. Planned parenthood allows women and men to get screenings for stds/stis, women’s screenings for cervical cancer, reproductive health education, and if a woman comes in and says she thinks she is pregnant and wants to keep the baby they can confirm the pregnancy via ultrasound or blood test and give her information for needed resources for her pregnancy. People need access to these things especially when they don’t have health care or funding which many people with unplanned pregnancies do not. The moment you take away access to legal abortion is the moment women will begin using dangerous means to commit abortions if they chose to do so. In this case, you often have the death of the mother and the unborn child. It is not our place to force our own moralities upon the lives of others when the circumstances involve the wellbeing of two humans instead of one that is unborn. You may not agree with it but I’m sorry to say that we have gone down that road and it didn’t end well.
Honestly you bringing up adoption as the obvious alternative isn’t fair. There are over 415,000 children in the foster system on any given day. The same christians who I see condemning abortions can also be those who want to cut funding for social services as it is a common platform of the Republican Party. The children who enter the foster care system often lose imperative adult attachments which results in improper brain development and then becomes another child requiring government assistance for the rest of their life due to mental illness or cognitive impairment. And THEN that same government has the audacity to say that we need to cut partial funding from the very programs these children need to succeed through adulthood.
If you have an answer to this problem I would love to know.
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January 25, 2017 at 12:23 am
This is my most favourite comment I have ever read. YES YES YES!
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January 25, 2017 at 9:04 am
Thank you for making comments like this, I was getting saddened by the all the praise the blogger was getting for her thoughts. I find it fascinating when we are getting our media in customized chunks and facts are an afterthought, bloggers just absorb it and react, since it approves their biases and doesn’t challenge previous held beliefs.
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January 25, 2017 at 11:27 am
I don’t trust the media now or in the past, but I do find it amusing that suddenly the media is not correct, when the last 8 years that’s what everyone threw up as gospel. Can’t have it both ways, the media doesn’t suddenly turn conservative. No, before you say it, I don’t listen to Fox. An occasional curiosity when flipping through, maybe. Same token, I don’t listen to CNN. Both extremes of each end.
PS: I am NOT saying she is correct, just saying to reference the media is amusing.
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January 25, 2017 at 9:25 am
Love is reply.
I feel the pro life movement misses the point.
I’m not sure what they want.
Is it less abortions? Access to care leads to less. The ACA has decreased the amount of abortions. BUT they want to take it away.
I have talked to people and really try to see it their way.
The argument is Dead Babies. No other issue matters.
Quality of live for the ones that live. Dead babies
Changing the foster system
Dead babies
Women in peril with non viable with risk of death.
Dead babies.
Fund access to reproductive healthcare.
Stop having sex for fun.
I know this is a generalization.
But I cannot get behind this movement.
Unborn are not the most vulnerable. They children abused in foster care or their own homes. With no one to advocate for them. Unborn have an army of women that will fight.
Once they are born it’s up to them. They have to fight and hope someone says something when something is amiss. Why fund more social workers? Those kids can figure it out. Hell if they have so much despair they would rather be dead. At least they got to experience the devil before they see god.
Changing RvW will not stop abortions.
Take you prayers and money to help those women in situations that need love. Not slut shaming.
I see the point of the movement but not the methods.
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January 25, 2017 at 12:52 am
Thank you, Ruth 💗 I admire your peaceable voice of truth, and patient nature with which you write. Keep it up!
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January 25, 2017 at 12:59 am
Wow. Just because there are problems other places too does not mean that the problems here don’t matter. Your “apologies” are so self righteous. Sorry that you’ve never experienced the problems that many American women have. Maybe take two seconds to think that if this many people see a problem that it might possibly exist.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:54 am
I read this, and then I read ALL of the comments. I think everything I would like to say (and more) was addressed there. For me, this was a march for ALL women, all over the world. For me, it wasn’t for abortion (but I wouldn’t have forced another woman to march for my exact reasons… that’s kinda the whole point). It was for equality for ALL. The author brought up media that mocks men, but for every example she gave I could give dozens of examples of women being portrayed as helpless or stupid. It breaks my heart that so many people have lumped all of the women who marched into the man hating, baby killing category. That didn’t describe ANY of the women I know that marched. How can she even talk about “most of the signs” she’s seen if she wasn’t even there? And then she used a photo that makes that statement completely illegitimate. I see signs against fracking, for legalizing marijuana, for HOPE, for truth in science, for no u-turn, but I don’t see the sea of pro-choice signs she keeps referring to. And if she really wanted these women to march for the things she mentions, why the heck didn’t she get a group of friends, make signs against trafficking, domestic abuse, and population control (or whatever) and carry the dang things in the women’s march? Seriously, I want my daughter to know her voice matters, her opinion matters, her body and mind are her own; I want her to be willing to stand up and defend herself, her rights, her point of view and her decisions. I want my son and my husband to stand beside her and cheer her on because they love her and respect her. We can all just stand back and pick and choose the negative aspects of anything, just waste our lives pointing out the bad (ya know how SOME Trump supporters are racist and sexist…but not ALL of them are, not even most of them are) or we can get out and show the world who we really are and stand up for ourselves without belittling people with opposing views…then there would be no apology needed.
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January 25, 2017 at 3:34 am
Guess we know who YOU voted for.
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January 25, 2017 at 9:15 am
Actually, you don’t. I voted for a write-in. 🙂
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January 25, 2017 at 5:52 am
Gabe, I DO have an answer to that. How about this…if you don’t have the means to take care of the result of the act of engaging in sex (potential pregnancy), and you don’t have the means to prevent the pregnancy (birth control), how about you control your carnal passions, and NOT engage in that act! Yep, you heard it…abstinance (ooo…that’s a dirty word to a lot of people…dare I really use it?)! I vehemently oppose abortion at ANY stage of pregnancy! It is the life of an unborn child at stake here. You say that if the right to abortion is taken away, unsafe practices will be used to abort babies anyway? Well, I say, so be it. If a woman is willing to engage in the very act that causes pregnancy, let her put herself at risk of self-inflicted injury or death if she choses to terminate said pregnancy. If she doesn’t value the developing human inside of her anymore than that, then I don’t value her. Why is her life of any more value than that unborn fetus? And yes, adoption is ALWAYS an option.
So, what of those that are impregnated through rape? I feel for these women, I truly do. But why should that fetus suffer and die because of that sorry situation? Certainly an intact family unit is the best scenario for any child, but EVERY child has the right to live and make themselves whatever they can.
You speak of the less than stellar system we have set up for children without families, but how about we put our efforts toward finding solutions to help them, rather than just kill them! So, if they are a burden, then they are useless eaters and deserve to die? That’s what we are saying when we allow abortions in the first place. And because of someone’s inconvenience (the woman who seeks the abortion), a life is terminated? What?? Why does ANYONE get to determine which life is more valuable (including a pregnant woman)? And why must an unborn child die because “mommy” couldn’t control her sexual appetites? Really?? Is that fair?? So, if we are going to place blame, let’s place it squarely where it belongs…on the carnal desires of the women who “need” the abortions in the first place.
I could care less about Planned Parenthood providing help with STD’s and the like. If there was less rampant sex and more control over our wreckless passions, there would definitely be fewer of those floating around, too! Oh…you probably shouldn’t have gotten me started…
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January 25, 2017 at 9:48 am
Vicki,
What about the women that is not allowed to work, is in a sexually abusive relationship?
She cannot afford birth control. She cannot make him wear a condom or say no because of fear.
She is not strong enough to leave. Nor would she subject a child to the life she lives.
Her only option is someone else paying for her care.
Have some empathy for things you will never ever have to experience.
Life is shades of grey.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:56 pm
Nope, pretty black and white. We place ourselves in dangerous positions for reasons we sometimes know not. Rather than work on marriages between a man and a woman so that children are born into this world with what God designated and prescribed as wholly fitting for every child, we instead invent alternative families or other ‘solutions’ which actually subvert the mother/father roles for normal child rearing. What man intends for evil God intended for good.
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January 25, 2017 at 6:55 am
Out of curiosity, if “Our” current President were not elected, would the March have happened?
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January 25, 2017 at 9:19 am
Excellent question. I don’t know that it would have.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:20 pm
I am guessing not. It would have been Friday. And you could have done it Saturday.
I’d like to thank Donald Trump for waking up the voters.
Today I posted the phone numbers to my representatives on the wall by my desk. When I hear something is being voted on I will call them.
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January 25, 2017 at 7:10 am
Thank you
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January 25, 2017 at 8:05 am
What makes you think that the issues you raised where not represented. I was there and what you saw on television could not convay the support that was given to all causes. Rights of all people were part of this march many were not gender specific they were equal pay, stopping voter surpression, clean water and air along with many others. Please don’t apologize for not marching others did it for you.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:16 am
First, I want to say THANK YOU for this. It means more than I could ever say. Second, I felt that I had to speak up and be very frank with some people, if not all of them over this…display. If you don’t mind, this is what I told them. …Yes I am deeply hurt. (follows below):
Let it be known, (and again ill refer everyone back to my previous post, from the other day if anyone bothered to read it), that your march this weekend was an offense to me, an affront to civility, and it displays nothing but contempt and blatant hatred for men, men’s rights/dignity, for my male friends, your husbands/boyfriends, Fathers (living and deceased) brothers and sons, and for me in general (being a man, too). I would never treat you in such despicable manner. You have hurt me and offended me deeply. I am fully ashamed of the men who participated and or supported this event, and blindly allowed themselves to be trampled on and degraded, and not blink so much as an eyelash.
Additionaly, instead of creating unity, you all have added and promoted even more division in our nation, in the world, and sacrificed so much, if not all of your personal and corporate dignity to do it.
Yet despite all of it, and despite knowing how I and other men are viewed in your sight, (which is apparently obvious) I will continue show you more love and respect than you have apparently displayed towards me and others this weekend.
I love you all anyway…
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January 26, 2017 at 1:10 am
What the…..? Is this guy serious? He’s “deeply hurt” that women want equality? WHAT?!?!? Oh dear, did I fall for a joke article? I should have known from first “apology” that this was a spoof. Hahaha, you got me.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:35 am
“To women in underdeveloped countries, I’m sorry that we are pushing for free health care, including abortion on demand, while you struggle to feed your families and find clean water to drink and have limited or no access to good health care.”
Can’t we hope and strive for both? Quality health care for all Americans AND clean water, quality health care, etc. for people living in underdeveloped countries? For me, the two are not mutually exclusive.
I marched in my state’s capital, and I was very moved by a speech from a young man diagnosed with cancer at age 22. Because of the Affordable Care Act, he was able to stay on his parents’ insurance. Also, without the ACA, he could easily reach his lifetime max for coverage. The expenses related to his treatment are already upwards of $400,000. His plight spoke to my heart, which is why I will march again and will write to my representatives to urge them to fight for those who need the provisions of the ACA.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:53 am
Ruth, I applaud you for standing in the ring and voicing your opinions, even though you’ve been knocked down and stamped on for it. To those who could voice their opposing opinions with clarity and respect, thank you. For those who voiced your opposing opinion with unkind and condescending remarks, shame on you! What happened to your supposed women’s rights? Does she not have the right to express an opinion without being trampled on? Andrew, you should know better, I direct you to Galatians 5.
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January 25, 2017 at 9:18 am
I respectfully submit that if you want to continue to enjoy your religious freedom and freedom of speech, you learn that a march is taking a stand for something you believe in enough to take action to preserve it and to be a beacon to those who aspire to be so fortunate. There will always be the 10 percent who cause trouble and cloud the message with their unsavory behavior. Choose to see the other 90 and how muhc we ALL want the same things. Kudos to thise who are brave enough to make that stand!
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January 25, 2017 at 9:21 am
I would like to offer an apology as well…to my children, grandchildren, and future generations who will negatively be affected by the recent election of Donald Trump as our new president of this wonderful country and for any and all damage this has already begun to cause and for the future damage this tragedy will surely create for your lives. I am so sorry to anyone on the planet who is not fortunate enough to live in a country where there is freedom and democracy like the United States has to offer. That does not mean if I march or have a complaint that I disregard your struggles. It merely means I have exercised a right that I have in this country. I would change things for you if I could. Because I protest, does not mean I disregard you. One has NOTHING to do with the other, however, I appreciate and share the thoughts and concern.
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January 25, 2017 at 9:28 am
“I am a woman. I live in America. I did not attend a women’s march over the weekend….”
Why not?
“Perhaps there were indeed women who marched to show support for women in other countries, but as I mention in another reply, I saw no signs pushing for this cause.”
And you’ve done what for women in other countries? To be blunt, I find your proffered concern for those women disingenuous.
At best, you are making “the perfect the enemy of the good” by implying that since this march didn’t address every possible problem it was a moral failure. I suspect you know little to nothing about the various discussion and critiques of the march over matters of race, disability, and yes even religion, among women who nevertheless sympathized with and even joined the march itself.
At worst, you are appropriating the experiences of other women to form a wholly imaginary alliance between them and your conservative Christian views about gender and sexuality. You are, it seems to me, trying to claim the moral high-ground by pretending to out-do feminists on their own terms of concern for all women. Yet it is difficult, to say the least, to think you honesty believe “we should each do what we can to work toward basic human rights for all” when you say just prior that “there will always be inequality in this sinful world.”
Harder still to believe you when you end, like a rival preacher after an hour-long sermon, with what is effectively an altar call to ask Jesus into your heart. It seems clear that the “freedom” you claim he won for you (yes, you! even you! you special, special you, you!) is a wholly personal, spiritual, other-worldly freedom from “sin.” That’s the most important “freedom” and, you seem to imply, it is one that makes all this other fuss about equality and health care and sexual assault seem, well, not *that* important. At least not important enough to join a march about those issues, here and now, where they are at stake and you can say and do something about them. Just important enough to pay them lip-service while criticizing the people who actually went to the streets.
So, to be blunt again I’m afraid, why did you bother with the smug posturing of concern, this lengthy “apology”? Why didn’t you say what you really wanted to say and did say between the lines? You opposed the march because “abortion” and “gays”? Why didn’t you just write a post about how the marchers need your Jesus?
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January 25, 2017 at 9:51 am
❤️❤️❤️
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January 25, 2017 at 9:41 am
I attended the march in Seattle, I will say that the author is correct about what women in other countries experience. Women in other countries and regions of the world are marginalized, treated as property, sexually assaulted, abused, killed for trying to gain equal rights, etc.
Should this also be what happens to women in the United States? A country where every citizen has the right to assemble to redress greivences? Why turn a day where millions of men, women, and children came together peacefully to be a catalyst for change?
No one was Marching to encourage women to have abortions they were advocating for women to continue to have the right to have a safe one. Getting rid of abortion does not stop it from happening.
No one was Marching to take rights away from men, or to say to China (a country that controls how many children their citizens can have) we are here to rub this in your face.
No one was Marching and throwing rocks, or chanting kill male babies, or take rights from men. The only division I have seen is after the March with posts like this. What is wrong with people coming together peacefully to say “let’s do better as people for the women of our society.”?
After all how can we effect change in the world if we aren’t practicing what we preach?
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January 25, 2017 at 10:06 am
I am sorry you feel you have to be so sorry for everything. Women are far more likely to say sorry, even when they have done nothing wrong.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:13 am
The march was for Women, children around the world.
Im sorry to the Muslim women, mexicans, foreigners, refugees, etc who are now living in fear in our beautiful country. Im sorry you no longer feel safe in your home and and are worried about your family and childrens future.
The womem and families who are scared-
I hope the March showed you that these women, men and children that marched are here for you and want to support you and for you to know that You Are Not Alone! We stand beside all women no matter their religion, political view or where they are from.
I march for all women!
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January 25, 2017 at 10:50 am
do your protest for all your rights,got it, its your right ,,,but these have been going on for decades but lets just attack the new president who must have done all this in less than 24 hours you all could have done this march at anytime in the past ,get real ,be the change you want in the world and quit blaming everyone else,,peace out,,
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January 25, 2017 at 6:54 pm
I don’t care who you are, what religion you are, what beliefs you have, what color of skin you have, your gender, what you do for a living, your social status, or any label others have created to identify you or you have created to identify yourself. Be done with it already! Get over your pity party and move on. It’s getting ridiculous, the oppressed, the judged, the minority, blah blah blah. Grow a pair of balls or vagina, whichever you think is superior, and move on. I’m so sick of hearing it as are others and I am embarrassed by these “marches”. So much for the “United” states of America. If you’re so against everything and everyone, leave this country. I don’t want you breathing my clean air.
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